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-no other ranking implied. I haven't tried to correct the formatting
from the e-mails; each response is separated by a dotted line.
I've turned any names into random initials and taken out the names of theatres
where indicated, so that all these posts - from working literary managers
and dramaturgs - are anonymous.
Also, because I know this is often an issue on the ICWP list (naturally
and quite rightly), I should say that the majority of the respondents quoted
are women.
Enjoy. - Michael
This is the query that I sent to the LMDA list:
a recent post to the international center for women
playwrights list raised this question (i paraphrase):
when it says on a submission listing that the theatre
wants a letter, synopsis and ten sample pages, which
ten should i send? do they want beginning, middle,
end?
so, literary wranglers: if your theatre uses the ten
page sample (or any excerpt length) what elements do
you like to see that help you most? (one person i
asked about this a few years ago said, rather
snippily, "Oh, I just want to see if they can write."
- i hope there's more to it than that...)
Responses:
I get teased sometimes for reading the whole play ... and I certainly
understand that volume makes us all make hard choices.
The decision on if you should read the whole play really depends on
what you are looking for ... if you are looking for a readily producable
work, then there is no point (well very little) in reading the whole play.
Most people on this list can tell after a few pages if the play is right
for their theater.
Where it really helps to read the whole play is if you are looking for
a "voice." And I think this is what G. was talking about in his post. If
you really want to know what someone is capable of ... you need to
read the whole plays. Some plays grow on you as they go on their journey.
Plays won't read well, but will haunt you for weeks afterward. I've
often dismissed a script on an initial read, but after then I realize that
I keep thinking about it days afterward. Some part of the characters' journey
has stayed with me and made me think. Then I know I have to go back and
see what this playwright has to offer.
But in a busy world, and especially when you are looking to fill a hole
in your season, 10 pages is enough.
I have been the one to read submitted plays and also the person who
works directly with new playwrights. I don't care about "formula"
or anything else when I receive a script. What I do care about is whether
or not the play grabs my attention by the third page.
To paraphrase Robert Patrick: even if a play is not organized
chronologically or as a well-made play, the audience always experiences
the first ten pages first. If the script doesn't engage us
early on, what good is a boffo climax? The audience may have left
by then!
I hate the whole sample page
idea.. I understand why it might be
necessary- but I still hate it.... Let me
give one example:
I was reading a play that was perfectly
fine. Nothing outstanding, nothing
horrific- a good solid work-
but nothing that made me leap
up and down with excitement... I come
to what reason tells me SHOULD be the
climax of this solid, yet unspectacular piece
of work, followed by a gentle, sweet resolution.
However, there is another act. And
in this act things got hot and
sweaty and exciting. Completely different authorial
voice, huge formal and structural changes,
wild non-linear textuality - exactly
what the rest of the play was not.
Exactly what I would never suspect this playwright
was capable of had I not seen it on
a page. Unfortunately, this act was so dependent
on the rest of the
play for (con)text that there
is no way it would ever end up
as
those magic 10 pages- it would seems
incoherent. And there would be another playwright I
would have mistakenly written off.
I know that this seems to
lead to huge piles of scripts on one's
desk- it doesn't have to. I'd take the other
route and limit submissions. Make it invitation only.
Put out a call to selected Literary
Managers whose company has a similar
mission to your own. Ask them for
5 writers they love but aren't able to
produce. Ask those writers to submit
work. If their work resonates
with you, ask those writers to each
recommend 5 writers..... Or ask the writers you
work with now. Only work with writers
you know. Get to know lots of writers.
Eventually, if you use the
structure outlined above, you can
A) Read only plays that are
right for your theatre
B) Always read the whole play
C) Develop real relationships with writers that
are based in more than just a production
or development model
D) Build a patchwork quilt of writers who
know and respect each other's work- your
theatre also becoming a home for a community
of writers.
Call it the Prell System of Literary
Management-- And she told two friends, and
she told two friends.......
Whatever you do, read the
whole play.
In response to X's point about the first ten pages, doesn't that
presuppose that all plays are written in a certain well-made play format,
in which we BEGIN at the Beginning and go through exposition, point of
attack, etc? Doesn't that somehow eliminate plays
that are like, say MEMENTO, where we begin at the end and there's some
mystery involved? What would she/he do with a play like, say, Prince's
BETRAYAL?
It reminds me of the old Syd Field screenplay controversy. As you
know Syd invented the three-act form for screenplays. A million
people studied screenwriting using that formula and learned to expect
that formula in the scripts they read... and when a script comes along
that doesn't precisely FIT that formula, it's rejected because it's not
good.... when all it is, is not formulaic.
As for me, I've often sent my best ten pages which are often a climactic
scene. I take care, however, to provide a one to two paragraph
intro so the reader knows what these pages are all about.
And it's often worked in that I do get invites to send the whole
script. So perhaps it's in the presentation rather than the position
of the pages.
I ask specifically for the first ten pages. This levels the playing
field by giving everyone the same exercise. What I want is to see the playwright's
attack. Sure, bad exposition helps to weed out a lot of scripts. But if
the writing is really good, the whole play is implicit in those first few
pages.
Since all the queries to (Theatre P) end up on my desk, I get asked
this question a lot--not, as one might imagine, by the writers themselves,
but by non-theatre folk who can't quite grasp what the heck a Literary
Associate does all day long.
Anyway, I find that I'm immediately suspicious of writers who,
for whatever reason, choose to submit anything other than the first ten
pages of their script. What don't they want me to see? The opening
of a play should be one of the most engaging, provocative, well-thought-out
sections of the entire piece, deliberately designed to
grab and hold the attention of both reader and audience. If I'm
dropped somewhere in the middle, I spend most of my reading time
trying to figure out what's going on and rarely ever get to that crucial
point of needing to know "What happens next?" By page 10, I expect the
characters to be established and the fuse to be lit on the primary
action that will drive the play; otherwise, I'm probably gonna pass.
While it's certainly
possible to sample a writer's way with dialogue at any point in the
script, those first ten pages contain important clues to structure and
technique that always help me decide whether or not I want to add this
manuscript to my already-bulging shelf.
I want to begin at the beginning -- it's as simple as that.
In general, I think it should be left up to the playwright to submit
those ten pages that best represent his/her work as a whole. That is often,
as it turns out, the first ten pages of the play - but not always. Sometimes,
the later the excerpt is in the play, the more difficult it can
be to follow for clarity. Events and conflicts have been set up earlier
in the play and the reader might not have a frame of reference for them
reading the scene out of context. The resulting struggle to understand
might not serve the play
completely, even if it is the most beautifully written passage.
At the end of the day, though, I trust that writers will know which
ten
pages best represent their work as a whole and will send accordingly.
Of course, this just my take on it. Their are probably as many opinions
as
there are literary folk.
This was a common question at the theatre I used to
work at. I hate to say it, but I actually think that the
person who told you
"I just want to see if they can write," wasn't all that far off.
The excerpt/sample is not meant to encapsulate the plot, but rather, shows
the reader what the playwright's style of writing is like - how the dialogue
flows, etc... I can't tell you how many times I read submissions
where the synopsis sounded really exciting, but then I moved on to the excerpt
and found that the lines read like a bad episode of Seinfeld. So yeah,
the excerpt is basically just a way of seeing how the person writes.
That said, just about any 10-page clip from the play generally achieves
this purpose, though I think playwrights should generally pick sections
that have less stage direction and more dialogue, and avoid sections in
which you need to know a lot of the back-story in order to understand
what's going on. Whether this excerpt comes from the beginning,
middle, or end is generally inconsequential.
One other thing I'd say to anyone inquiring about submission guidelines
is to be really sure and follow the guidelines exactly as the theatre
says. We found it really aggravating when people would just
disregard the guidelines, and we often discarded those submissions
on principle. One playwright wrote in the cover letter that
she couldn't possibly pick just 10 pages out of her entire play
to send us, so she was sending us the entire script and we should
pick ten pages. That script didn't make it very far. Also,
some playwrights think that the 10-page submission is the writing
sample, and that their writing in the rest of the submission letter
isn't as important - not true. I've definitely seen literary
managers throw submissions in the trash based on the way the cover-letter
was composed. The best cover letters are generally the most concise
and
professional.
<< "Oh, I just want to see if they can write." >>
Well, of course that's a large part of it. A play can sound fascinating
in
the synopsis while the execution falls short due to lack of talent
or skill.
I also like to see what the language is like. A play's language/dialogue/"sound"
and how they are handled are very important to me and weigh heavily
in what plays we choose. The play's basic style is also revealed
in the sample- stylized? "Realistic"? What type of tone, mood,
feel, what have you.
I prefer sample pages because I don't have the room for a huge stack
of
scripts. It's just that simple. I got tired of the giant
pile next to my desk.
So first I got a literary manager and then I got wise and started
asking for sample pages.
I want to see what the dialogue is like, their ability to capture characters
and their ability to handle a dramatic event - infer dramatic action etc..
- in some ways, yes, it is "can they write?" Sorry.
Addendum - perhaps not so much "can they write" but "what is the voice"
- 10 pages is tough, but the choice of which ten pages also reveals
something about a writer's understanding of their strengths, etc..
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